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Omg fr and they don’t even care |
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basically every oppressed group will be fetishized somehow unfortunately, whether it be for race, gender, religion, or sexuality, there’s going to be some loser online searching the hub for the genre like all these people are objects. they make you hide yourself so you can simply be ‘seen’. |
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agh i feel you 100% 🫠 genuinely dont understand how they feel the need to comment or look at us weirdly just bc we present ourselves differently than others. its like some sick fantasy thing. like let women live, damn it! |
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Goth dress and other variations are inherently sexualized. I'm not sure what you'd expect if you project yourself online, though I don't know to what extent or how much you do. |
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Ah, victim blaming, classic.
by MissLuger; ; Report
How is she a victim? I know about real victims. Stop minimizing their struggles.
by Fallen Rewind; ; Report
just bc something is “inherently sexualized” doesnt make commenting vulgar things ok. the gothic style wasnt made to BE anything else other than living and appreciating the introspective nature of life, nonconformity and just vibing to good ass music. nothing more, and nothing less.
by lovely.catie8<3; ; Report
i was never showing my body in an explicit way. i was simply wearing a tshirt. women are constantly ridiculed for dressing a certain way or fetishized regardless of what they’re wearing. i shouldn’t have to defend myself for being disappointed in how people treat me
by helenaxrawr; ; Report
So the point of goth dress was never to make you more attractive in any way, and men are just suppose to ignore you when when your boobs are hanging out, but simultanously pay attention to you as well?
by Fallen Rewind; ; Report
no, the point of goth fashion isn’t to make myself attractive to men. and no my body existing doesn’t mean i should expect or accept sexual comments from strangers. i was wearing a t-shirt. being disappointed that people reduce me to my body isn’t unreasonable. and no my boobs weren’t hanging out lol
by helenaxrawr; ; Report
I wasn't asking you to defend yourself, but don't think you're being very realistic either. If your picture was the same as your picture here, then no, there's nothing explicit about it.
by Fallen Rewind; ; Report
Ok, but I didn't say making yourself attractive exclusively to men, I just said making yourself look attractive. You do realize men get entirely judged on their body too right?
Your boobs weren't hanging out, but the other commentator had hers out.
by Fallen Rewind; ; Report
what, so a bit of cleavage warrants something inappropriate to be said to me? youre talking as if i had my chest fully out, which i dont. i dont understand how "being attractive" correlates to wanting men's attention to you just because i dress alternatively. when i go outside, i dont stare and gawk at anyone in public because thats fucking weird.
by lovely.catie8<3; ; Report
So the topic has shifted, we're talking about gawking now? I thought we were talking about comments regarding women's bodies online, or so-called rude and vulgar comments (which weren't precisely stated, except 'nice boobs'). Do you want everyone to not look at you when you're outside? If they stare, how long is too long? Are you saying being attractive has nothing to do with getting attention from men (or women)?
by Fallen Rewind; ; Report
to think that men have to be associated with people like you
by law; ; Report
Awww, you poor simp baby.
by Fallen Rewind; ; Report
you just had to pull the ‘respect women = simp baby’ card didn’t you
by law; ; Report
Oh, that's not what you are? 😏 Feel free to prove otherwise then!
by Fallen Rewind; ; Report
im gay
by law; ; Report
So you're a mega simp then? Got it! 👌
by Fallen Rewind; ; Report
weird that you as an adult are on the internet calling a minor a simp given its nature. you clearly just can’t respect women and that’s all i could make of this conversation lols. bye
by law; ; Report
How would I even know you're a minor unless I looked at your profile? I don't read every profile that randomly responds to a comment. If you think it makes some difference then perhaps you shouldn't be engaging in this conversation in the first place?
And I don't even give a damn what you think, unless you have a brain and can put a coherent argument together. I've seen no ability from you to do that. There's 15 year olds that are much smarter than you, I can assure you, and they don't fall back on being a minor if they're trying to make an actual point. Bye!
by Fallen Rewind; ; Report
lol stay mad bigot
by law; ; Report
Low IQ. So you're not done then? 😏
by Fallen Rewind; ; Report
idk r we lmaoooooo
by law; ; Report
what in the 4ch dumpster fire did i just wander into
goth is literally just fashion, music and the culture surrounding it
like objectively, yes - some aspects of it are sexualised
but that goes for anything which is marketable tbh
it doesn't mean that's how the culture is as a whole :o
by GOAT; ; Report
Some? Try to find 10 goth music videos without sex in it. You'll be hard-pressed to find one.
This world where you think nothing sexual exists in culture and media doesn't exist.
by Fallen Rewind; ; Report
first thing that came to mind was siouxsie's "cities in dust"
idk if a music video about the fall of pompeii and people dying and getting burnt to a cinder is overly sexual tbh
never rly thought of it that way before ykno
btw what about echo and the bunnymen and their video for "the killing moon"
or perhaps joy division's "love will tear us apart"
"this charming man" by the smiths perhaps
it's literally just morrissey flailing his arms about and singing but i'm sure there's obvious sexualised imagery i'm missing out on
or what about the cure's "lovesong"
it's 3.28 mins of robert smith gothing it up in a cave
how sexual is that on the ol' gothsploitation meter
i'm sure there are dozens more tbh
okay that is all xoxo
by GOAT; ; Report
I'd have to watch those to see, but Lovesong is about love obviously, which involves sex. He's talking about the
woman he's attracted to and how she makes him feel. I'm sure it's not platonic love. Lovesong doesn't qualify.
The Joe Division song is about romantic love isn't it? While I wouldn't find the video "sexy" I'm sure there's some girls (or guys) that do. BTW, is that even goth?
by Fallen Rewind; ; Report
BTW, are you familiar with the Asch conformity experiment or the various cognitive bias that exist? Just curious. I might touch on this later if we're still having this conversation.
by Fallen Rewind; ; Report